Olin, Here's a couple quips that have alway been true 1. The only man that ever walked the face of this earth that was perfect got crusified for it. 2. Andrew Carnagie, FAILED 26 times before becoming one of the worlds first Mutli Millionaire's 3. Eastman Kodak Professional Films, bottom line after 6 pages of tech data. "This is a suggested starting point only, You may have to adjust to fit your own personal needs" 4. He/She who never fails, does nothing. 5. A failure is not a failure, IF you learned something from it. 6. "If it works, use it; If it don't, try something else" 7. Be a countinous student I feel the above applies to most everything you do, including a garden Byron