>IIRC, there's a major difference here, >Byron. Wagner developed the Green >Zebra tomato, Garcia discovered the >Red Savina. Garcia's making his >money >for a serendipitous find and post->discovery legal efforts. Margaret L Aware that there is a slight difference in find or develop. But in each case it is a new "breed" available. I too am in the postion of a find, a lost heirloom. So you will have to understand I am really interested in this topic. Tom I am also on another tomato list where a person named Andrew Chu claims to be the developer of the green grape. He too has some of his stuff in court. Yup bad work and $$ for court I am in the same boat, Would like to fight a "False" arrest for an overweight ticket just to get it off my record. I can't afford it either. Jobs in this state are real poor, 46 job openings in the whole state. 44 out of 46 require a Masters or higher. I can sympathise. I am sorta in touch with a Dr Randy Gardener, He is in Plant Science (Pathology I think) at NCSU also owner of Mountain Seeds in NC. A few of his varieties are available thru Twilley Seeds and 1 thru Stokes, that I know of. I'll drop a note to see if he has any advice in this dept. Byron