Margaret, I also have the population of birds, well, not the world, but at least of this county, in my backyard. I have good luck seeding stuff like nigella (cosmos, for example) by sticking 2-3 seeds into those tiniest cell-packs and then transplanting. Open seeding doesn't work: I may as well ring a dinner gong. George, will you scan pictures of Margaret nekkid with flaming sword and put them online? BTW didn't you mention that you'd do one of you, Sleepy and Anne and put it up on R-list? Lucinda