> In CA Johnson grass was never as much of a problem as quackgrass is here > in the PNW. I've had it over run manure piles and in digging it out have > found runners over 10' long straight through the middle of the piles. It > grows deep and persistent and is the bain of my flower beds too. Every sample of johnsongrass I've gotten from Canada has been a hybrid between grain sorghum or forage sorghum and johnsongrass... so it's been a bit tamer than the "real McCoy" down in the southern states. > Isn't Cyndi whose tagline sometimes reads something about quackgrass > holding the world together? I think you're right... and I think it might be true! ;-) Kay