Not to contribute to an argumentative discussion, but I agree. I have signed off of several lists that Margaret was on because of her argumentative nature. I don't blame her; I have the same nature. I signed off because I'd rather garden than start or participate in flame wars. However, as she is on all the gardening lists, I'm only on this one and one other now. As I see it, there was no need for Margaret's "challenge." I'd like to see people being able to talk about the tomatoes they like, such as the post about "Solar Set," without the knee-jerk lectures, insults or challenges. Even the subject of this message is an example. Maybe there could be a gardening list just for arguing? Obligatory tomato discussion. I lived in Juneau fifteen years, and was only able to grow tomatoes indoors with a halide lamp where every species grew no bigger than a cherry tomato. So now I'm in Memphis, and I have been told by many gardeners here (ignoramuses, I'm sure) that Better Boys, etc., grow best. I'm still looking for a flavorful tomato, and next year I'm growing Brandywine, German Johnson, Risenstraube, and Stupice, all from Southern Exposure Seed Exchange, which I heard about on this list. Any advice in advance will be welcome. Linda In a message dated 10/17/98 11:57:57 PM Central Daylight Time, lmensing@rio.com writes: << Margaret, I do not feel I am defending hybrids...but rather the freedom to discuss merits without feeling a need to defend myself. Last year I saw discussion being squelched and you three ending up 'talking' to each other as if the rest of us on the Listserv didn't exist. There was very little participation after that. >>