Louis wrote: I do not feel I am defending hybrids...but rather the freedom to discuss merits without feeling a need to defend myself. Last year I saw discussion being squelched and you three ending up 'talking' to each other as if the rest of us on the Listserv didn't exist. There was very little participation after that. Louis, any comments I made were not meant to squelch opinions, comments. I'm distressed if that's how I have been perceived. As you said, "there are so many variables in gardening (and tomatoes fit here too) that reducing them to open pollinated (and heirlooms) and hybrids seems to me to be oversimplifcation." The same thing applies to the viewpoints of people who post here. I'm also interested in learning more about strain stabilization. As I recall, the famous/infamous "Radiator Charlie's Mortgage Lifter" was the result of particular diligence in this area. Catharine/Atlanta, zone 7b